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Post by Andrew on Jul 5, 2012 6:11:51 GMT -10
Enter GOOD ANGEL and BAD ANGEL. BAD ANGEL. Go forward, Faustus, in that famous art. GOOD ANGEL. Sweet Faustus, leave that execrable art. FAUSTUS. Contrition, prayer, repentance, what of them? GOOD ANGEL. O, they are means to bring thee unto heaven! BAD ANGEL. Rather illusions, fruits of lunacy, That make men foolish that do trust them most. GOOD ANGEL. Sweet Faustus, think of heaven and heavenly things. BAD ANGEL. No, Faustus; think of honor and of wealth. [Exeunt ANGELS.] FAUSTUS. Of wealth! Why, the signory of Emden shall be mine! When Mephistopheles shall stand by me, What god can hurt me,(?) Faustus? Thou art safe Cast no more doubts! Come, Mephistopheles, And bring glad tidings from great Lucifer;-- Is't not midnight?--come, Mephistopheles, Veni, veni, Mephistophile!
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Post by Lani on Jul 5, 2012 9:17:50 GMT -10
The inner conflict that was shown in the previous section is now being displayed externally by our Good and Bad Angel once again.
Salvation vs Damnation
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Post by Tuan on Jul 5, 2012 10:54:36 GMT -10
In my studies of behavioural science I came across the famous Stanford Marshmallow experiment. This scene is, in my eyes, synonymous to that. Eternal riches versus instant pleasure now. For those of you unfamiliar with the Stanford Marshmallow experiment the run down is as follows: A scientist goes into a classroom of young children in the 70's and gives each student a single marshmallow. He then tells them that he needs to do something, and that if they hold on to the marshmallow by the time he gets back, he will give them another one. Some gave in to the temptation, others were able to delay gratification. Many years later he did a follow upb study on those same student and found that the ability to delay gratification also correlated with higher SAT scores. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment |
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Post by Caitlin on Jul 9, 2012 11:44:31 GMT -10
its not really a fair fight for the good angel...the desire/pressure to be good will never be as great as the temptation to be bad. also, bad angel gets demons and lucifer himself to come and abet him...where is god in the fight for faust's soul. god is simply the idea(l) of righteousness? why doesn't the good angel get a parade of saints to help her out? although, that might be kind of depressing...
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Post by Lani on Jul 10, 2012 9:17:43 GMT -10
"A marshmallow was offered to each child. If the child could resist eating the marshmallow, he was promised two instead of one. The scientists analyzed how long each child resisted the temptation of eating the marshmallow, and whether or not doing so was correlated with future success."
I wish I could back and see how long I could have resisted as a child ^_^
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Post by Luca on Jul 19, 2012 9:05:57 GMT -10
Caitlin!! I agree with you, that's why I wonder why it's Good and Bad ANGEL not ANGEL vs DEMON! The Good and Bad, seems to represent his own thoughts, in Faustus Head. The fact that he is tempted shows that he is leaning more toward the Bad Angel (or messsanger) and therefore sees the Demons. If he was leaning more toward the Good one he might see Angels and Saints because we always attract and explain our mind set by selcting what we see in life. SOmeone depressed will always eplain and excuse his situation by selecting negative and sad memories in his past and pay attention to the sadness around him. Someone very positive willl do the oposite! I think that's why Good ANgel has no "support"! I read an interesting article (check it out, it was on wikipedia about Faustus!  ) They said that Faustus was living the reversed life of a Saint. So intstead of being tempted by the Devil he is tempted by the Good Angel but eventually follows the demons (instead of God, Jesus or Angels). I also want to add that God is not an "old man in the sky" (as Miceal Ledwith explains in "The Hamburger Universe") but an energy that also created the "light Bearer" alias Lucifer. The one who could compete against Lucifer would probably be The Archangel Gabriel. However, if God Created Lucifer and tempted Faustus it's maybe because he wanted him to have that experience to be able to find the light at the end. Jesus said that we have the power to walk over the snakes. So even if Lucifer says he's possesses the soul, Faustus can walk "over him" anytime, once he finds the power, no? |
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) They said that Faustus was living the reversed life of a Saint. So intstead of being tempted by the Devil he is tempted by the Good Angel but eventually follows the demons (instead of God, Jesus or Angels).